Thursday, April 21, 2005

Who's the Next Google?

I send apologies to friends who don't like reading about my views of technology.

First, God created Yahoo, (In reality, it was David Filo and Jerry Yang.) In the mid-1990's that site was a directory of web links compiled by hand. By 1997, I had moved to Alta Vista. Relatively soon after that, I stopped typing searches there and went to Google not because of its clean interface or 'coolness', I moved because it was simply better at providing a world of useful links. Google was able to comb through and index more of the Internet than any competitor. When we're looking for something, access to as much as possible is what matters most.

Unfortunately, when one's the king of the hill there's no place to go but downhill. Google's supremacy spawned an entire industry which tried to 'optimize' a site to rank well there. Google has had to respond by creating algorithms that weed out spam and underhanded methods to manipulate their results. Dealing with these concerns has eliminated their once, undisputed lead in searches. Now the company is simply too nervous and secretive to let people know they are throwing out a lot of babies with the bath water. This is too bad.

Here's some slightly-modified, recent correspondence:


ORIGINAL MESSAGE

To: Google Support
From: Dennis
Subject: pages in domain search but not indexed.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:24:09 -0000

I know you are busy with important details. I have tried to look around the net to find a reason for the following but have been unsuccessful.

I have a blog that presently contains around 90 weekly pages of information. At one time googlebots used to stop by daily and all pages were indexed. My blog section has a PR of 5.

Now, I find only about 10% of my site's pages can be found with snippets in a search of my domain. The majority appear there without title or text. Do you know what factors can lead to this?

Google Search: site:www.dennissylvesterhurd.com

Language: en
WebUserLocale: en
IssueType: other_webmaster


GOOGLE'S RESPONSE #1

Thank you for your note. The Google index contains two types of pages: fully indexed and partially indexed pages. Some of your pages are currently partially indexed. Because our robots were unable to completely review its content during our last crawl, your site appears without a cached copy or detailed title. Instead, it's listed by its URL.

We understand the frustration this situation may cause you. We're always working to increase the number of fully indexed pages in our index. You may be able to improve this page's visibility in our search results by ensuring that a number of high-quality sites link to it. While we can't guarantee that pages in our search results will always be fully indexed, "crawler-friendly" pages have a greater chance of being fully indexed. Guidelines for creating a "crawler-friendly" site are available at http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Regards,
The Google Team


MY NEXT MESSAGE

What a wonderfully quick response! I'm happy to hear back so quickly and completely. Further questions:

Your Paragraph 1 - (a) Am I correct in that the 'partially indexed' pages are not actually scanned and therefore information on them will not be returned on Google searches?

Your Paragraph 2 - Most traffic on my site goes to my blog, therefore most links go to www.DennisSylvesterHurd.com/blog/ . That index page has always been listed. Although with a PR of 5 it now only receives visits a few times per month. The 'partially indexed' pages are the archives. (b) Can 'partially indexed' pages stay that way forever?

(c) Could it be googlebots don't want to hit them because all the pages start with initial text and they're trying to avoid duplicates?

I'd love to hear your ideas on questions (a) (b) and (c) at your leisure.

==Dennis


GOOGLE'S RESPONSE #2

Hi Dennis,

Thank you for your reply. As you may know, we don't personally review individual sites, nor do we comment on webmaster techniques or the details of our search technology beyond what appears on our site.

We've dedicated an entire section of our site to answering the most common questions from those who maintain and/or promote websites. You'll find all of our publicly available information posted at http://www.google.com/webmasters/index.html

Besides this section of our site, we've created a newsgroup discussion forum for passionate Google users. At http://groups.google.com in the http://groups.google.com/groups?q=google.public.support.general group, many webmasters and Google users share their questions and expertise.

We recommend performing an advanced search on this group if you feel your question is particularly challenging and you've been unable to find an answer on our site. To do so, go to http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en and enter your search terms in one of the "Find messages" fields at the top of the page. Type "google.public.support.general" in the "Newsgroup" search field, and click "Google Search." If you don't find an answer to your question, you can always post your question to the group to see if other newsgroup users have helpful advice. Please be aware that this content isn't posted by Google, and we cannot verify its accuracy.

Regards,
The Google Team


THE END

Thank you for copying this bit of standardized text from a template.

I guess what I was trying to politely say is something is broken at Google. Your "mightier than thou' attitude may not last forever. I see your company fast trying to use cash to expand into areas outside of search.

This is a good for two reason, I can immediately think of:

1) Yahoo and MSN completely index my site without forcing me to resort to any additional strategies. Eventually the average web user is going to figure out you're not the only game in town.

2) I remember when Alta Vista was king of the hill. We will love you dearly until the next best thing comes along.

Have a nice day.

Dennis




2010 Games (23) 3-D Printing (21) 5-Night Local Cruise (7) Adobe Premiere Elements (4) AI-generated images (102) AI-generated text (35) AirAsia (11) Alaska (6) Alaska Cruise 2001 (9) Alaska Cruise 2019 (14) Alaska Cruise 2022 (9) Alaska Cruise 2023 (11) Alaska Cruise 2024 (12) Alberta (14) AllegiantAir (9) almsgiving (4) alternate facts (2) Amazon (55) Amber Sky (2) American Somoa (1) Amsterdam (9) analog (13) Android TV Box (35) Apollo Ghost (7) Apple Inc (17) Aquatic and Community Centre (1) Arts and Literature (29) Aspire Z 24 (6) Australia (4) Bahrain (33) balcony (146) Bali 2018-19 (57) Bangladesh 2020 (10) Bathroom Reno (21) BBS (7) BC Ferries (17) BC-WA Road Trip 2013 (6) BCIT (334) beach (66) beer (64) Bella Coola Road Trip (11) Bellingham (28) Berlin (4) Białystok (4) bikes (17) biryani (20) Blaine Stayover (3) Bloedel (8) blog (1) blogging (241) bread (18) Bret (53) briefcase (6) British Columbia (210) Brunei (1) Buenos Aires 2022-23 (81) Bulk Barn (11) Burma (Myanmar) (17) Burnaby (2) Burnaby Lake (2) Cairo 2015 (4) Cambodia (20) camcorder (49) Canada (113) Canada Day (30) Canadian Superstore (84) Canon SX740 HS (1) Carnarvon Place (86) cars (66) Central Europe Trip 2024 (36) Central America 2011 (36) changes (1) China (9) China and Malaysia 2011 (26) Christmas (102) Christmas in Cancun (6) Class of 1977 (14) Cleveland Dam (1) Coastal Cruise 2006 (12) coco (1) coffee (13) Columbia Station (11) Columbia Station Noise Problem (7) Columbia Street (42) community gardens (8) Como Lake (1) complaints (95) computer (4) computer lab (21) computers (158) Coquitlam (2) Costco (17) Countries Visited (13) COVID-19 (107) Cozumel (1) credit card (12) cross-Canada (14) Cruise to Buenos Aires 2022 (19) Cruise to New Zealand 2017 (49) Cruise to Prince Rupert (8) Cruise to Rio 2023 (14) cruises (1) Cuba 2018 (12) dad (1) Deer Lake (1) dentist (10) Desert Southwest (23) Dictionary (2) digital camera (124) digital picture (41) dinosaurs (5) DNA (2) Don (24) drinks (28) driving (43) drone (7) drones (37) Duba 2023 (1) Dubai (70) Dubai 2020 Expo (3) dubai 2021 (29) Dubai 2022 (9) Dubai 2023 (8) Dubai 2024 (7) Duck Swap (60) Duolingo (3) e-scooter (2) early retirement (113) Ecoped (17) Electric Vehicles (29) email (57) errands (247) Eurotrip 2005 (31) Eurotrip 2007 (41) Eurotrip 2010 (40) EVO Car Share (5) fake news (2) false advertising (1) father (22) feelings (380) fiction (3) Fiji (2) file archives (30) fire (1) fireworks (13) Fitbit (6) flash memory (20) Flickr (307) Flickr slide show (31) Flipboard (9) flora and fauna (138) Florida (2) flying (100) food (305) Fraser River (133) futurecast (21) games (21) Gdańsk (1) glasses (24) Google (87) Google Earth (24) Google Home (41) government (66) GPS (36) grandmothers (12) Grouse Mountain (1) growler (4) hair (2) hair colour (1) Halloween (6) hard disk (14) hardware (52) Harrison Hot Springs (6) Hawaii (10) Hawaiian Shirts (11) HDTV (62) health (125) Hikkaduwa (1) Hollywood (4) Hong Kong (8) Horseshoe Bay (1) Hulu (10) humour (53) Hurghada 2015 (6) Hurghada 2016 (4) Hyack Parade (12) Hyundai KONA Electric (75) IKEA (15) In-front-of-series (6) India (27) Indonesia (10) Instagram (1) Internet (326) IP (24) Ipoh 2019 (3) Istanbul 2022 (6) Italy (21) Italy 2008 (23) jackfruit (10) Jay's Surgery (30) Joel (86) Juneau (1) Kenya (6) KIA Niro (7) kid's story (9) kitchen counters 2024 (5) Kiva (8) KL is ... (3) Krabi 2019 (3) Kraków (1) Kuala Lumpur 2019 (75) Kuala Lumpur 2020 (47) Kuwait (29) Langkawi (4) Laos (10) Las Vegas (28) Last Will and Testament (2) Laurie (37) Laurie's Visit 2024 (15) LED Strip (6) library (24) light bulbs (5) Linux (2) lists (33) living room furniture (8) London (8) Los Angeles (14) Lowe's (8) Luxor 2014 (7) Lynn Canyon (2) Machu Picchu (1) maintenance (139) Malacca 2019 (4) Malaysia (16) mattress (5) Mavic Mini (42) Mazatlan (51) Mediaplayer (29) Mediterranean Cruise 2017 (35) Metrotown (8) Mexican Cruise 2008 (14) Mexican Property (19) Mi band (26) Midjourney (7) Mini-Road Trip 2014 (8) Minuwangoda (41) money (218) monkeys (9) Moon Bugs (4) Moorebot Scout (2) Mother (9) motorcycles (18) mountains (33) movie musical (20) Movie Night (1) movies (194) MS Teams (2) Mt. Baker (12) Museum of the Future (2) music (80) musical theatre (10) My YouTube (56) MyEV (79) n (1) National Geographic (11) NE/Canada Cruise 2019 (3) Near East Trip 2014 (33) Near East Trip Planning (9) Nearby Neighbourhood Parks of 2020 (21) Nepal (10) Net apps (93) netbook (20) Netflix (25) New 7 Wonders of the World (1) New Caledonia (3) New Westminster (876) New York City (32) New Zealand (8) NewWest filming (12) NH Trip (10) Niagara Falls (2) Nikon P900 (16) Nikon S9900 (21) Nile Cruise 2016 (4) Novus Internet (2) Nvidia Shield TV (9) NYC2005 (17) NYC2009 (10) Okanagan (27) OnePlus (12) Ooma (8) opinions (272) Our 10-Year Plan (14) our ashes trip (1) Our Cruise History (2) Our Sri Lanka 2021/22 (1) Ozempic (10) Panama 2018 (10) Pandora (7) paper (1) parade (6) Paris (12) park (2) Parks in the BC Lower Mainland (25) passport (10) Pattaya 2018 (13) Pattullo Bridge (29) PBS (15) peeps (2) Penang 2011 (5) Penang 2017-18 (88) Penang Thaipusam (2) Persian (1) pets (58) Photo Sphere (20) Phuket 2019 (5) Pier Park (94) Pier West (19) pig (8) Pinterest (30) Pinto (10) Pixel 5 (2) Pixel 7 Pro (3) Pixel Watch (17) podcasts (47) poem (1) Port Moody (2) Portland (15) Portland Pride 2009 (6) Prince Rupert (1) printers (14) privacy rights (12) PS3 (30) Puerto Vallarta (46) Puerto Vallarta & Guadalajara 2010 (24) Puerto Vallarta 2012 (8) Puerto Vallarta 2013 (8) Puerto Vallarta 2023 (12) PVR (14) QR Code (7) quarantine (10) Quay (30) Queen Victoria (14) Queen's Park (97) quotations (150) Qurna Market (7) Ranger (59) RC vehicles (9) relaxing (27) review (55) Riga (3) road trip (106) robovac (1) Royal City Mall (29) Royal City Star (10) Royal Columbian Hospital (4) RSS (22) Russia (2) San Francisco (19) sandals (12) Saudi Arabia (48) Scandinavian Cruise 2016 (24) scanned snapshots (18) sci-fi (23) science fiction (2) SE Asia 2013 (53) searching (16) Seattle (27) SF Pride 2018 (1) sharing (31) shaving (9) Siem Reap (11) Siem Reap 2018 (34) Sigiriya (7) Simcoe Park (3) SIN-BKK 2024 (20) Singapore (5) SkyTrain (45) smartphone (117) social networking (141) software (64) soursop (6) South Eastern Europe Trip 2025 (4) Southwest Road Trip (8) souvenirs (18) Sri Lanka (121) Sri Lanka 2004 (54) Sri Lanka 2006 (29) Sri Lanka 2009 (35) Sri Lanka 2012/13 (95) Sri Lanka 2019/20 (88) Sri Lanka 2021/22 (79) sri lanka 2023 (1) Sri Lanka 2023/24 (54) Sri Lankan food (90) Sri Lankan Property (20) staff (4) Stanley Park (5) stars (34) Strata BBQ (11) Street View (36) students (102) Summer Lovers (5) Sunapee (71) Surf Internet (13) Surrey (67) T&T Supermarket (18) tablets (54) Taipei (5) technology (113) TED (1) telephone (46) television (176) temple (32) Tesla (2) Təməsew̓txʷ (1) Thailand (19) Thanksgiving (13) the French Riviera 2023 (38) The Happiness Series (2) The Harbor Gameroom (16) the Maldives (1) The Wedding Weekend (6) the Wenas (29) Then and Now Images (3) thrift shop (26) Tile Trackers (3) Tim (73) Time Machine (2) Tipperary Park (53) to (1) tour (2) tourist shots (43) train (22) transit (62) travel planning (230) TRS-80 (6) Tulum (4) TuneIn (2) Tunis 2016 (6) Turkey (Country) (9) Vancouver (199) Vancouver Island (25) Vegas 2024 (5) Vietnam (9) Viking Passage Cruise 2022 (30) Villa Diletta (27) Vilnius (4) Walmart (61) Warsaw (10) Washington DC (16) weaather (1) weather (562) webcam (25) Week in Montreal 2019 (9) Weekend in Winnipeg 2022 (6) Window (1) Windows (63) winter 2014-15 (151) Winter 2015-16 (161) winter 2015-16 (planning) (17) Winter 2016-17 (planning) (16) winter 2017-18 (planning) (7) winter 2018-19 (152) winter 2018-19 (planning) (14) Winter 2019-20 (136) winter 2019-20 planning (11) winter 2020 (3) Winter 2020-2021 (159) winter 2020-21 planning (11) winter 2021-22 (113) winter 2021-22 planning (17) winter 2022 (2) winter 2022-23 (104) winter 2022-23 (planning) (9) winter 2023-24 (67) Winter 2023-24 (planning) (13) Winter 2024-25 (9) winter 2024-25 (planning) (15) World Vision (17) zip.ca (20)